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TRASHED TALK

Can Netflix ever solve its late-night problem?

- Michael Starr TV EDITOR

SAY what you will about the quality of late-night network talk shows — but Kimmel, Fallon, Colbert, Meyers and Corden aren’t going anywhere anytime soon.

Nor are cable’s John Oliver and Conan O’Brien.

It’s a different story over on Netflix.

The streaming service just can’t seem to find the right fit, or programmin­g strategy, for a hit talk show. It whiffed in its first attempt — Chelsea Handler’s “Chelsea,” which stuck aroundd for two retooled seasons (2016-17) but generated little buzz — and now it’s canned “The Break with Michelle Wolf” and “The Joel McHale Show” both after very short one-season runs.

(“McHale” premiered in Febru-ruary and aired one episode a weekek for 13 weeks, then dropped six new episodes at once; “The Break”k” premiered in May, with a new episode airing each of its 10 weeks.)

Netflix doesn’t cancel too many of its 1,987 original series (that’s not a real number — it just seems that way), so it’s always surprising when the ax falls on one, let alone two, well-publicized shows — and on the same day, no less.

And since Netflix guards its TV ratings with Kremlin-era secrecy — save for Nielsen, which occasional­ly goes rogue and drops some viewership info — we can posit that Wolf and McHale’s shows (and Handler’s before them) generated scant viewership.

I asked Jay Leno, who hosted NBC’s “Tonight Show” for 22 years, why he thinks that talk shows haven’t worked on Netflix.

“I think people get into a rhythm,” he says. “There are certain convention­s in television they just expect, and when you deviate from those it doesn’t work.”

Is streaming the wrong platform for this genre? Maybe. But it’s 2018. Netflix is a known entity. It’s snared many high-profile TV names (including David Letter- man, Jerry Seinfeld, Ryan Murphy and Shonda Rhimes) in big-money deals. People who know about these shows will find them. And many late-night fans watch their favorites via delayed viewing (online, DVR, apps, etc.) — not much different than watching these shows on Netflix (which has an app).

Is it the “live” feel that’s missing? Not really: Handler, McHale and Wolf each taped in front of a live audience. So that one doesn’t fly.

Maybe part of the Netflix dilemma is not premiering new episodes each weeknight — such a big part of the late-night broadcast model. Some say the networks are “dinosaurs,” yet viewers are creatures of habit, locked into their favorites at 11:35 p.m. and 12:35 a.m. on CBS, ABC and NBC — or every Sunday night on HBO for “Last Week Tonight with John Oliver.” Conan O’Brien’s “Conan” (11 p.m. Monday through Thursday) will switch to a half-hour format next year on TBS — but it’s renewed through 2022. “There’s familiarit­y with repetition that people get used to,” says Leno, “so when a show is on at all different times and hours, well . . . “And I don’t really see a lot of advertisin­g for these shows on Netflix,” he says. “I try to watch all the [Netflix] comedy specials and I have to hunt to find them. Who’s that guy? You rarely see an ad or a promo. They’re just hard to find. The good part is you’re not inundated with commercial­s.”

Maybe viewers are just resistant to change — but, if that was the case, we wouldn’t be talking about Netflix which, over a short five years, has carved out its own show-business niche. Like it or not, it’s a culture touchstone.

Netflix isn’t waving any white flags on the genre — it’s got talk shows hosted by Norm Macdonald (“Norm Macdonald Has a Show”) and Hasan Minhaj (“Patriot Act”) launching in September and October, respective­ly.

But if the trend continues, I wonder how much longer Netflix will throw money at comedians for talk shows that generate few laughs — and even fewer viewers.

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