Ali Wong on her comedic success
The freewheeling, edgy stand-up comedian is back with her new special ‘Hard Knock Wife’
When Ali Wong’s debut special, Baby Cobra, had its premiere on Mother’s Day in 2016, very few people outside of the comedy world knew who Wong was, and there was little reason to think this hour or so of jokes would change that. She had trouble selling out shows, and no one submitted the special for Emmy consideration because what would be the point? And while Netflix had an impressive track record of showcasing stand-up stars, it had never made one — until Ali Wong.
Baby Cobra presented something new, a pregnant woman in her third trimester delivering a deliriously filthy and funny hour of comedy woven into a sneakily feminist assault on the double standards of parenting. Pioneers like Joan Rivers, who had also performed pregnant, and Roseanne Barr paved the way with biting jokes about motherhood and domesticity, but Wong made maternal comedy seem more glamorous, sexual and overtly political.
She alternated jokes about the injustice of how little is expected of fathers with tributes to the appeal of Asian men. “They got no body hair from the neck down,” she says in the special. “It’s like making love to a dolphin.”
Much of the special involves raw descriptions of the nitty-gritty of having a baby, whether it’s trying to get pregnant or a pregnant wife’s peculiar resentment of her husband. When he asks her to help with household chores, her response is: “I’m busy making an eyeball, OK? Are you making a foot? I didn’t think so.”
This hit a nerve with an untapped market, becoming the first breakthrough hit special about parenting from the perspective of a woman, paving the way for a spate of mum comedians and earning Wong a new fan base.
In Hard Knock Wife, her follow-up special, which Netflix released once again on Mother’s Day, she performs pregnant again, with her second child. “It’s very much like a sequel to Baby Cobra,” she told me in her toy-strewn house, not long after giving birth. “When Chappelle asked me if I was doing another one, he said that’s so cool; that each baby had a special.”
But the expectations are different this time, now that she has become the kind of comic who refers to Dave Chappelle as a friendly colleague. With a romantic comedy co-starring Randall Park in the works and a memoir structured as a series of letters to her daughters being published by Random House next year, Wong is about to join the A-list, a club that few women or Asian-American stand-ups are let into. And she’s being very strategic even as she has to deal with child-care and
family issues that male superstars in the club don’t have to deal with. It’s a lot to juggle.
Two months after giving birth, she slipped out of the house and drove to the Upright Citizens Brigade to make an unannounced appearance, walking onstage in sweatpants and a puffy jacket to roaring applause. She told a new joke about #MeToo and got a laugh, though she wasn’t sure she could trust it. UCB crowds are notoriously generous. Only after experimenting with that joke 25 more times, she said, would she know if it works.
ALTER EGO
While she comes off as cerebral and soft-spoken offstage, her jaunty stand-up alter ego has the strutting charisma of a rock star. When she was growing up, her favourite comic was Eddie Murphy and, like him, she isn’t afraid to swagger, preen or grab her crotch.
Wong, who majored in Asian-American studies at UCLA and considered a career in academia before trying and falling in love with stand-up after college, held off for nearly a decade before producing a special. Now 36, she has done two late-night television sets but considers them a bad form for her brand of comedy, so she won’t return. Hard to pigeonhole, her comedy begins with a strong, dynamic stage presence and arguments that take some time to build.
At the UCB, she alternated between a forceful declarative voice and a croaking whisper that reminded Hilary Swank, who was in the audience that night, of her Million
Dollar Baby co-star Clint Eastwood. Wong talked about being a mother. But she bristled when describing a fellow comic who said pregnancy was becoming her trademark. “Pregnancy is not rainbow suspenders,” she said, exasperated.
After she finished her set to loud applause, Wong drove home, pumped some milk for her baby, went to sleep and woke up at 7am to breast-feed, while her husband, Justin Hakuta, took care of their 2 1/2-year-old daughter. In her new special, she raises the question of work-life balance and explains her secret. “I have a nanny,” she said. “That’s it.”
It infuriates her that more celebrities do not acknowledge this. “It’s unfair to the hard-core stay-at-home moms to pretend you’re able to have an amazing body by chasing around your kids,” she told me.
Now that she’s had some experience as a mother, Hard Knock Wife digs deeper into the theme of motherhood than Baby Cobra did. But if you were expecting a mellow and mature evolution, think again. She makes jokes about farting, urinating and various intimate acts, but her dirtiest material might be about childbirth. “Giving birth is hard core,” she said at home.
She once again takes on the stereotypes that undergird traditional gender roles, skewering the idea that there’s anything threatening about a female breadwinner. “I’m always asked how my husband is feeling about my success with a note of concern,” she told me, with a snap in her voice as if the answer was obvious. “He feels great. It’s not hard to feel good about your spouse making money.”
As she has moved from clubs to theatres, Wong has said she modelled her career after Chris Rock’s and Chappelle’s. Like the latter, she makes audiences check their cellphones at the door and never announces when she’s playing clubs. Like Rock, she does some sets very quietly to see how jokes play. After watching his latest special, Tamborine, she said that no one was on his level. But what’s interesting is that in that hour, Rock presented another vision of the difference between the sexes, saying that while women are loved unconditionally, men are loved only “under the condition they provide something.”
This dichotomy has been the foundation of countless jokes, and in Hard Knock Wife, Wong takes a jackhammer to it. Growing up in the Bay Area with a Vietnamese mother and a Chinese-American father, Wong was not a comedy nerd, but she vividly remembers her family crowding around the television set in 1994 to watch the premiere of Margaret Cho’s All-American Girl, the first network sitcom about an Asian-American family. There hadn’t been another until the current ABC series Fresh Off the Boat, for which Wong writes.
There have been signs of a growing Asian-American comedy audience, said the stand-up Sheng Wang, who points to the success of the popular UCB variety show Asian AF in both Los Angeles and New York as well as that of Wong.
When asked why there have been so few Asian stand-up stars, Wong hesitated, avoiding the question. At another point she noted that Asians are stereotyped as not funny, even among other Asians. “They have internalised that their own people are not funny,” she said, adding that some have told her they didn’t think she would be good.
STEREOTYPES
When it comes to her comic sensibility, she pointed to her father. “Asians are known for being obsessed with saving face, but when my dad had to pass gas, he didn’t care,” she said.
“In the quietest, most inappropriate places, in a church or a library or during someone’s speech, he would rip it up. It was kind of great comedic timing.”
In the new special, she pokes fun at her mother for asking if being the breadwinner would threaten her husband, and in person, she underlined the point. But she also allowed for more nuance.
“I make fun of him a lot,” she said, “but the truth is, he’s a VP of a multimillionaire tech company.”
At one point, her husband interrupted the interview as he came downstairs. He made small talk but did not linger. After he left the house, Wong said, “Obviously, he doesn’t like talking to journalists.” Then she went quiet. “It’s strange,” she said. “It’s been a really strange transition.”
She said that he had become more open to her talking about their family onstage, but that with her growing profile he had asked to hear jokes that include him at the beginning of the process of working them out, not the end, and he had occasionally vetoed a bit.
“He’s an Asian unicorn; there’s nobody like him,” she said, singing his praises after explaining why there are things more important than comedy. “I have to run jokes by him or I lose my marriage. That’s not worth a cool joke.”
“Asians are stereotyped as not funny, even among other Asians. They have internalised it.” ALI WONG | Comedian